tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-40684257058263951612024-03-19T12:48:00.389-06:00Bibles for MormonsBibles for Mormonshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02882687436259782703noreply@blogger.comBlogger50125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4068425705826395161.post-89594415069587857042015-05-11T12:24:00.000-06:002015-05-26T12:40:45.580-06:00I (Do Not) Love to see the temple<br class="Apple-interchange-newline" />
I personally believe the church continues to build temples to make money. To attend temples, members must pay tithing. All members are told to get a temple recommend which requires tithe-paying. If there is a temple within reasonable distance, the pressure to attend regularly (and pay) is even greater. They claim their temples are based on the ancient Biblical temple but they are not. (See the Mormon Coffee article mentioned below, it's illustrated.)<br />
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I've been talking to a friend who is Mormon but has "lost her testimony." She hasn't completely left the church yet and sometimes points out what she thinks are its good points. I remind her on occasion that the LDS church lies to people. They can't claim to have made a mistake, to have erred based on incomplete or wrong information.<br />
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How can a church that continues to hide information and lie be a church that serves God?<br />
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<br />Bibles for Mormonshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02882687436259782703noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4068425705826395161.post-87764918783124926752015-05-08T08:34:00.000-06:002015-05-08T08:45:38.449-06:00Is God an Organizer or a Creator?<div class="p1">
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<span class="s1">I often like talking to her about God because she waxes enthusiastic. I try to avoid areas where I know we'll have a conflict of ideas. Yesterday I brought up <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex_nihilo"><span class="s2">creation <i>ex nihilo</i></span></a>, creation from nothing, because we were talking about the greatness of God. (It's been three years since I left the Mormon church so I'd forgotten they don't believe in that.) I told her I'd read that all other religions besides Bible-based one like Judaism and Christianity believe that their god or gods only organized materials, or were already part of the world or the universe. </span></div>
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<span class="s1">She and I both thought she'd misunderstood me. (She's hard of hearing.) So I repeated myself and clarified that God is so awesome that He created everything from nothing and there are only two religions that hold to this. Grandmother, then understanding, insisted then that no, God organized everything. Then she corrected herself and said that Heavenly Father and Jesus and the others organized the matter that already existed. I told her that this was not based on the Bible but on the words of the Books of Abraham and Moses. Even science may support the idea that there was creation from nothing (the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang"><span class="s2">Big Bang</span></a>). She got her stubborn look on and said she wasn't going to talk about it anymore. They organized all the worlds and that's that. </span></div>
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<span class="s1">I didn't want to fight with her so I steered the conversation toward her comment about "all the worlds" and we speculated on whether we'd ever meet people from other planets. Soon it was dinnertime and the conversation had an excuse to end. But it left me with a sorrow that her god is a small god. He's a bureaucratic organizer. My God is a Great Big Amazing God who created the Universe. </span></div>
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<span class="s1">Today I researched creation <i>ex nihilo</i>. I read some articles that explained that there is no one Biblical verse that explicitly states this idea, but it is derived from various ideas presented in the Bible. (This is like the idea of the Trinity.) Most Christians do believe our God is the Creator, not the organizer. For example, see these verses in <a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=col+1%3A15-17&version=NIV"><span class="s3">Colossians 1:</span></a></span></div>
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<span class="s1">"In him all things were created." ALL things. "Through him and for him." These words were directed to the Christians of Colossae to teach them about Jesus and saved for all the world to read. If I trust that the Bible comes to us because God wants us to know him, then I trust that God is the creator of all things because these words are preserved in the Bible. Further, this trust leads me to believe that if my God can create all things in heaven and on earth, then I can believe he can do other miracles.</span></div>
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<span class="s1">My grandmother is adamant that she be buried, not cremated. She quotes the scripture in <a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2037:1-14&version=NRSV"><span class="s2">Ezekiel 37</span></a> as supporting her reasoning to not have her bones destroyed. She talks like she is afraid if this should happen. She thinks God needs our bones to raise us. But her god is an organizer. Of course he has to have something to work with to resurrect people. </span></div>
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Bibles for Mormonshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02882687436259782703noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4068425705826395161.post-39395851340660388972014-01-27T15:37:00.001-07:002014-01-30T09:10:22.601-07:00Salt Lake City less "Bible-minded" than New York or Los Angeles<a href="http://www.americanbible.org/features/americas-most-bible-minded-cities" target="_blank">Seriously</a>:<br />
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Bibles for Mormonshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02882687436259782703noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4068425705826395161.post-53553568368114854232014-01-26T19:44:00.002-07:002014-01-26T19:45:52.081-07:00"A Bible, we have got a Bible, and we need no more Bible"That's a quote from 2 Nephi 29:6 in the Book of Mormon. Let's talk Bible translations. I heard someone say that some languages began to be written down for the first time just so that they could have the Bible in their own tongue.<br />
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A Bible translation organization called <a href="http://wycliffe.org.uk/">Wycliffe.org.uk</a> has some statistics on their <a href="http://wycliffe.org.uk/wycliffe/about/vision-whatwedo.html" target="_blank">site</a>:<br />
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They also estimate that 98 million people speak something for which there is no known Bible translation (yet). </div>
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This is somewhat mind-boggling for me, not only how much translation has been done but that there are so many languages in the world. I looked up how many there might be and found 7,105 according to <a href="http://www.ethnologue.com/world" target="_blank">Ethnologue</a>. Tower of Babel, anyone?</div>
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Bibles for Mormonshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02882687436259782703noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4068425705826395161.post-59932976873066774832014-01-23T12:34:00.001-07:002014-01-23T12:44:31.100-07:00A river does NOT run through it<span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">In the book of First Nephi, chapter 2, Lehi takes his family three days into the wilderness away from Jerusalem. They camp in a valley by a river:</span><br>
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<span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Okay, show me a map of the area so I can see this river: <a href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/19/Red_Sea_topographic_map-en.jpg"></a></span><br>
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<span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> The <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suez_Canal" target="_blank">Suez Canal</a> only opened in 1869 and it's at least a five day walk to where it meets the Red Sea, according to modern conditions and as perceived by Google Maps. There are seasonal rivers in <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=7pReFaFC3fQC&pg=PA14&lpg=PA14&dq=rivers+that+empty+into+the+red+sea&source=bl&ots=qL8D3cNPHD&sig=23liIgStKoiDs8DAwl5zv0cr7Vs&hl=en&sa=X&ei=6GThUpmcB9jboATi-IKwBQ&ved=0CEEQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=rivers%20that%20empty%20into%20the%20red%20sea&f=false" target="_blank">Eritrea</a>...but that's in Africa, much more than three days away from Jerusalem. There's the Gulf of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Aqaba" target="_blank">Aqaba</a>, but it doesn't look like a river. And the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Sea" target="_blank">Red Sea</a> itself is quite salty, as Wikipedia announces:</span><br>
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<span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Did you see the part about "lack of significant rivers or streams draining" into it?</span><br>
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<span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">If there was a wadi, perhaps, that had seasonal water...but the family stayed camped there while Nephi and his brothers went back for the Brass Plates. If it was only a stream resulting from rainstorms, Lehi was not hoping for much when he wished his son Laman would be "continually running into the fountain of all righteousness." </span><br>
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<span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Now let's see about rivers mentioned in the Bible, how many of them can be found today? Jordan, check. Tigris and Euphrates, check. The "river in Egypt," aka the Nile, check. Kishon, check. </span><br>
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<span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Now perhaps there was some river that existed three days distance from Jerusalem and it emptied into the Red Sea, but has since silted over. But this is only one of the examples of how Book of Mormon geography and history look like they were invented for a novel.</span><br>
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<span class="text 2Pet-1-20" id="en-CEB-30479">Most important, you must know that no prophecy of scripture represents the prophet’s own understanding of things,</span> <span class="text 2Pet-1-21" id="en-CEB-30480">because no prophecy ever came by human will. Instead, men and women led by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.</span> </blockquote>
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themselves.</span> <span class="text 2Pet-2-2" id="en-CEB-30482"><sup class="versenum"> </sup>Many will follow them in their unrestrained immorality, and because of these false teachers the way of truth will be slandered.</span> <span class="text 2Pet-2-3" id="en-CEB-30483"><sup class="versenum"> </sup>In
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I read these verses today and thought about Joseph Smith. I consider him to be a false prophet. You can read about how his own "prophecies" <a href="http://carm.org/false-prophecies-of-joseph-smith" target="_blank">failed</a>. You can find out about his "<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Joseph_Smith%27s_wives" target="_blank">unrestrained immorality</a>." You can read how he "<a href="http://journalofdiscourses.com/6/1" target="_blank">introduced destructive opinions</a>."<br />
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In his "<a href="http://www.lds.org/scriptures/jst?lang=eng" target="_blank">translation</a>" of the Bible, Joseph made it seem that he himself was mentioned in Biblical prophecies. It's with a bitter smile I see that indeed someone prophesied of Joseph--as a warning to us in the latter days.<br />
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According to <a href="http://www.lds.org/manual/gospel-principles/chapter-46-the-final-judgment?lang=eng" target="_blank">chapter 46</a> of Gospel Principles posted online at lds.org, at the Final Judgment, people will be judged by "The Son" with the assistance of the "The Twelve." I presume they mean Jesus and his apostles. To support this idea, they quote Matthew 19:28, which in the King James Version reads,<br />
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It seems that they take the English word "judging" literally. In Greek it is κρινοντες and can mean to preside over, or to rule, as well as pass judgment. I looked through several Bible commentaries available online and couldn't find any support for the LDS doctrine that the apostles would be helping Jesus in the Last Judgment. Instead, I found multiple sources that said something similar to this statement from the <a href="http://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/scofield-reference-notes/matthew/matthew-19.html" target="_blank">Scofield reference notes</a>:<br />
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Bibles for Mormonshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02882687436259782703noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4068425705826395161.post-61739569179674301502013-09-02T21:34:00.001-06:002013-09-02T21:36:06.993-06:00Where can I turn for info?Here are some of my favorite sites for information about the LDS church (that aren't church-sponsored):<br />
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<a href="http://www.mormonthink.com/">http://www.mormonthink.com</a><br />
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Mark Cares, a pastor in Idaho who started a ministry especially to help Mormons<br />
<a href="http://markcares.net/">http://markcares.net</a><br />
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Mormonism Investigated, UK: Yes, there are people working to educate Mormons overseas too<br />
<a href="http://mormonisminvestigated.co.uk/">http://mormonisminvestigated.co.uk</a><br />
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<br />Bibles for Mormonshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02882687436259782703noreply@blogger.com2tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4068425705826395161.post-12113754010364591602013-08-29T19:54:00.001-06:002015-05-28T13:36:23.481-06:00One Way to Rethink that Guilt Trip for Leaving the ChurchSadly, it seems that when someone chooses to leave the church, not only are they are blamed for being weak or deceived, but those people important to them also blame themselves for not doing enough to keep that person in the church. This goes right back to the root teaching of Mormonism that works are necessary. If enough isn't done, then people aren't saved.<br />
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I have a new perspective now. I believe God works in each person individually to bring them around. We are not responsible to save anyone else--that's God's job and that's why we have Jesus. God also works in us to help others. </div>
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I'm personally relieved and very grateful to lay down my guilt and let God do the work and take the credit.</div>
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<span class="text John-3-16" id="en-NRSV-26127" style="font-family: inherit;"><i>“For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life.</i></span></div>
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<span class="text John-3-17" id="en-NRSV-26128" style="font-family: inherit;"><i>Indeed, God did not send the Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him."</i></span></div>
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Bibles for Mormonshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02882687436259782703noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4068425705826395161.post-6449311074735635692013-08-25T16:05:00.001-06:002015-05-28T13:35:10.019-06:00Are We All a "Royal Priesthood"?<table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; text-align: center;"><tbody>
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Women in the LDS church can heave a sigh of relief: they will probably never have to conduct a sacrament meeting or preside at a stake conference. They don't have to ask a blessing on the bread and water served as communion, or pass it around to the members. They won't have to baptize anyone, perform a marriage, or direct a funeral. They don't have to lead a prayer in the temple prayer circle or pretend to be Jesus at the veil. I know several LDS women that are content to be left out of these things: they don't want the responsibility of holding the priesthood and doing what is expected of the men who do.<br />
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There are some male members that for one reason or another never obtained the priesthood or never progressed to a higher level of priesthood. These male members are looked down upon as though something is wrong with them.<br />
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Would either of these two groups, women and men with less priesthood, be astonished to know that they actually are priests of God after all?<br />
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No need for approval of earthly church leaders or laying on of hands or finishing any checklist of rules...if only Mormons would consult and believe their Bibles they would see this:<br />
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<br />Bibles for Mormonshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02882687436259782703noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4068425705826395161.post-9377593675624667472013-04-28T19:56:00.001-06:002013-04-28T19:56:25.270-06:00Whither was I to go?So there I was last year, a short time after realizing the LDS church was not all it claimed to be, wondering if there could even be a God if such a profound deception was allowed to exist. I sat in my car and talked out loud to myself. I reasoned the following: if the atheists were right and this life was all there was to existence, then when I died, I would blink out and nothing more would matter. If the Hindus and Buddhists were right, then I would be reborn and have another chance to get it right in the next life. If the Christians were right, then if I turned my back on God, then the next life might be hell. I figured I'd better stick with Christianity since the potential for reward was great (heaven) and the risks low--if I was wrong about Christianity I either wouldn't exist to regret it or would have another shot at life, even if were only as an insect.<br />
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I am very happy to report that the further along I go on the path of Christianity, the closer I feel to God and the more peace and change for the good I sense in me. Bibles for Mormonshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02882687436259782703noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4068425705826395161.post-61392069068201568242013-03-21T20:08:00.000-06:002015-05-28T13:33:58.852-06:0013 things I didn't know when I was a MormonThese things weren't part of the Sunday School curriculum. Heck, they might not be on a Christian church's curriculum either.<br />
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<li>There weren't necessarily three Magi that came to see the baby Jesus. There might have been more or less than three. Take a look and see if the Gospels actually name how many came.</li>
<li>The New Testament was written in a form of Greek called <i>koine</i> and yet Jesus may have originally spoken Aramaic, so even the earliest manuscripts may have been translations of what he said. </li>
<li>The Septuagint was a Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible created by Jews. The Greek Orthodox church's Old Testament is based on the Septuagint translation. When the early Christians quoted the Bible, they were often quoting from the Septuagint.</li>
<li>Speaking of translations, I had absolutely no idea how many English translations of the Bible exist. Wikipedia has a big <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_Bible_translations" target="_blank">list</a>. </li>
<li>Some of the translation errors found in the King James Version are copied in the Book of Mormon. Now why would God perpetuate those errors in the "most correct book"? </li>
<li>Some women were leaders of churches in the New Testament. Check out <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoebe_%28Bible%29" target="_blank">Phoebe</a>, a <span style="color: red;"><i>deacon</i></span> in Cenchreae. </li>
<li>And speaking of deacons, I haven't yet seen how the LDS church can say their "priesthoods" are a restoration of anything Biblical. If so, wouldn't Aaronic priesthood holders have to sacrifice animals at the temples?</li>
<li>And there's <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deborah" target="_blank">Deborah</a>, a <span style="color: red;">prophet</span> in the book of Judges. </li>
<li> I found out that Mormons aren't the only church that say their way is the only way to salvation. </li>
<li>God didn't "give" multiple wives to Old Testament men like Abraham and Solomon. They chose to have more than one woman and they and their wives usually suffered for it. </li>
<li>A lot of the scary, ugly, nasty stories in the Old Testament aren't there because God was condoning the bad things that happened. The stories highlight the mistakes people made and how God works with imperfect humans anyway.</li>
<li>Having a liturgical calendar sure adds variety to worship.</li>
<li>And I'll stop with my new understanding of grace as compared to how I used to think about it. In the past, I was a fan of a book called "Believing Christ" by LDS author Stephen Robinson. He told a "parable" where a little girl really wanted a bicycle so she gave all her money, a pittance, to her father, who then made up the difference and bought her the bike. I thought that was great--I do my very best, which amounts to very little, then God makes up the rest. I just had to hope that my very best would be enough to stretch up to God's hands. Now I know that's NOT grace. Grace is a free gift. God did it ALL. I can choose to accept it or not. It's about what God did, not about how much genealogy I did or if I gave the neighbors a Book of Mormon. I can't save myself. And actually, I'm relieved.</li>
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Bibles for Mormonshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02882687436259782703noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4068425705826395161.post-2800445839418269242013-03-13T20:25:00.001-06:002013-03-13T20:25:39.162-06:00What is Sin? (part 2)<div class="heading passage-class-0">
This is my opinion: Sin is doing the opposite of what love would do.<br />
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If we love God, we'll want to do good things, serve God, praise God. If we love other people, we'll want to be there for them, forgive them, cheer them. If we have love in our hearts, we won't be so likely to act out in ways that hurt ourselves, other people, or the world in general. The kindness and gentleness and courage that comes from love changes everything.<br />
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Jesus could have given us a list of specific "don't"s, but instead he gave us two "do"s that apply to every circumstance and every century:<br />
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<span style="font-weight: normal;">Matthew 22:34-40</span><br />
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<span class="text Matt-22-34"><sup class="versenum">34 </sup>When the Pharisees heard that he had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered together, </span> <span class="text Matt-22-35" id="en-NRSV-23906"><sup class="versenum">35 </sup>and one of them, a lawyer, asked him a question to test him. </span> <span class="text Matt-22-36" id="en-NRSV-23907"><sup class="versenum">36 </sup>“Teacher, which commandment in the law is the greatest?” </span> <span class="text Matt-22-37" id="en-NRSV-23908"><sup class="versenum">37 </sup>He said to him, “‘<span style="color: red;">You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.</span>’ </span> <span class="text Matt-22-38" id="en-NRSV-23909"><sup class="versenum">38 </sup>This is the greatest and first commandment. </span> <span class="text Matt-22-39" id="en-NRSV-23910"><sup class="versenum">39 </sup>And a second is like it: ‘<span style="color: red;">You shall love your neighbor as yourself.</span>’ </span> <span class="text Matt-22-40" id="en-NRSV-23911"><sup class="versenum">40 </sup>On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.”</span><br />
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<span class="text Mark-12-28"><sup class="versenum">28 </sup>One of
the scribes came near and heard them disputing with one another, and
seeing that he answered them well, he asked him, “Which commandment is
the first of all?” </span> <span class="text Mark-12-29" id="en-NRSV-24696"><sup class="versenum">29 </sup>Jesus answered, “The first is, ‘Hear, O Israel: the Lord our God, the Lord is one; </span> <span class="text Mark-12-30" id="en-NRSV-24697"><sup class="versenum">30 </sup><span style="color: red;">you
shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your
soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.</span>’ </span> <span class="text Mark-12-31" id="en-NRSV-24698"><sup class="versenum">31 </sup>The second is this, ‘<span style="color: red;">You shall love your neighbor as yourself.</span>’ There is no other commandment greater than these.” </span></div>
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<span class="text Luke-10-25"><sup class="versenum">25 </sup>Just then a lawyer stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he said, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?” </span> <span class="text Luke-10-26" id="en-NRSV-25382"><sup class="versenum">26 </sup>He said to him, “What is written in the law? What do you read there?” </span> <span class="text Luke-10-27" id="en-NRSV-25383"><sup class="versenum">27 </sup>He
answered, “<span style="color: red;">You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and
with all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind;
and your neighbor as yourself</span>.” </span> <span class="text Luke-10-28" id="en-NRSV-25384"><sup class="versenum">28 </sup>And he said to him, “You have given the right answer; do this, and you will live.”</span><br />
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<span class="text John-13-33" id="en-NRSV-26653"><sup class="versenum">33 </sup>Little
children, I am with you only a little longer. You will look for me; and
as I said to the Jews so now I say to you, ‘Where I am going, you
cannot come.’ </span> <span class="text John-13-34" id="en-NRSV-26654"><sup class="versenum">34 </sup><span style="color: red;">I give you a new commandment, that you love one another</span>. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. </span> <span class="text John-13-35" id="en-NRSV-26655"><sup class="versenum">35 </sup>By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”</span></div>
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<span class="text Rom-13-8"><sup class="versenum">8 </sup>Owe no one anything, except to love one another; for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law. </span> <span class="text Rom-13-9" id="en-NRSV-28261"><sup class="versenum">9 </sup>The
commandments, “You shall not commit adultery; You shall not murder; You
shall not steal; You shall not covet”; and any other commandment, are
summed up in this word, “Love your neighbor as yourself.” </span> <span class="text Rom-13-10" id="en-NRSV-28262"><sup class="versenum">10 </sup>Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore, love is the fulfilling of the law.</span><br />
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<span class="text 1Pet-4-8" id="en-NRSV-30437"><sup class="versenum">8 </sup>Above all, maintain constant love for one another, for love covers a multitude of sins. </span><br />
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<span class="text 1John-3-23" id="en-NRSV-30585"><sup class="versenum">23 </sup>And
this is his commandment, that we should believe in the name of his Son
Jesus Christ and love one another, just as he has commanded us. </span></div>
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As a Mormon, I associated sin with
breaking the rules of the church, going against the words of the prophet, or failing to do what was expected
of me as a member. For example, I never was a smoker, but I knew an older
man who was and he struggled over continuing to smoke
because it was against the Word of Wisdom. He still came to church, and even served in a voluntary position as the ward clerk, but he smoked in secret. I knew this because as a missionary in his ward, I ran into him after church one day in the street. He flipped his cigarette over and somehow put it out in his own hand before my companion and I arrived at his side. My companion and I had heard rumors and then we saw him in the act. But we didn't say anything about it to him because we'd heard his wife was ashamed of it and we didn't want to make it worse and have him go inactive.<br />
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As for me, I felt worried if I skipped
going to sacrament meeting and taking the sacrament because that was
considered to be a necessary "renewal of my baptismal covenant" with
God. (One of the LDS apostles, David Bednar, said <a href="http://www.lds.org/new-era/2013/02/how-to-always-have-the-spirit-to-be-with-us?lang=eng&query=sacrament" target="_blank">this</a>: <i>"Through the ordinance of the <span class="highlight" id="searchQueryTerm">sacrament</span> we <span class="dominant">renew our baptismal covenant</span> and can receive and retain a remission of our sins."</i>) I was fearful if I didn't pay my tithing because I didn't want
to "burn" when the Lord came again to the Earth. <i>(He that is tithed shall not be burned at his coming: D&C 64:23) </i>Once I
refused a calling and felt guilty for that because I'd been taught
callings came from God, and refusing a calling was refusing to serve
God. Various church leaders and prophets said that members should not watch
R-rated movies, so I felt wicked for giving into temptation and
seeing "Schindler's List." Not getting visiting teaching
done, not going regularly to the temple, not treating garments
(underwear for people who have been "endowed" at the
temple) with proper respect (seriously--don't drop them on on the floor, don't let people see them, don't roll them up to wear more revealing clothing over top, wear them 24/7) <span class="emphasis"><i>("How it is worn is an outward expression of an inward commitment to follow the Savior," </i></span><span class="emphasis"><i>First Presidency Letter, 10 Oct. 1988)</i>.</span>...there are many ways for a Mormon to "sin"
besides breaking the Ten Commandments. Now perhaps I missed something
in all those 27 years of being a member and am classifying all this as sin for Mormons when perhaps
another member of the church would say sins are only things like being unchaste, lying,
murdering. Let me look up how they define it on their official church website.<br />
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<span style="font-family: inherit;"><a href="http://www.lds.org/scriptures/gs/sin?lang=eng" target="_blank">Sin<i>: </i></a><i>See also Abominable, Abomination;
Filth, Filthiness; Offend; Rebellion; Ungodly; Unrighteous,
Unrighteousness; Wicked, Wickedness</i></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: inherit;"><i>Willful disobedience to God’s
commandments.</i></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: inherit;">So now I ask, what do they consider
to be God's commandments? </span></div>
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<span style="font-family: inherit;"><a href="http://www.lds.org/scriptures/gs/commandments-of-god?lang=eng&letter=c" target="_blank">Commandments of God</a>: <i>See also
Commandments, the Ten; Law; Obedience, Obedient, Obey; Sin; Word of
God</i></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: inherit;"><i>The laws and requirements that God
gives to mankind, either individually or collectively. </i></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: inherit;">Remember the man I saw smoking? Well, the <a href="http://www.lds.org/scriptures/gs/word-of-wisdom?lang=eng&letter=w" target="_blank">Word of Wisdom</a> is considered to be a commandment currently, although it was originally "given as a principle with a promise." If a person uses tobacco, drinks tea, coffee, or alcohol or uses illegal drugs, they are not allowed to attend the temple. </span></div>
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<span style="font-family: inherit;">There's the "law of chastity"--no sexual relations before marriage. Breaking that can get a person as far as excommunicated depending on how much happened and if the person has been "endowed" in the temple.</span></div>
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Here are a couple more things (found under under the definition for <a href="https://www.lds.org/topics/obedience?lang=eng" target="_blank">Obedience</a>):</div>
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<i>In nothing does man offend God, save
those who confess not his hand and obey not his commandments: Doctrine&Covenants
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Can you see why Mormons run around
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isn't just the peer pressure they put on each other to conform. They
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Bibles for Mormonshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02882687436259782703noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4068425705826395161.post-21566526506257197842013-02-09T21:10:00.005-07:002013-02-09T21:10:53.632-07:00A Year Forward into FreedomI don't know the exact date that I pulled an all-nighter and discovered that the LDS Church was full of lies. It's been about a year now. I have been musing on the changes in my life, the miracles, the challenges, the freedom I grow to love more each passing month and the anger I still feel.<br />
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I had a lot of good times as a member of the LDS church, mostly due to my friends and the warm fuzzy feelings from being an included part of the group. Or else due to my own strong desires to be good, to seek God. I learned at least one useful skill--how to speak to groups of people without fainting.<br />
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I also still feel very betrayed by the historic and current church leadership. In the age of the Internet it is hard to hide information and yet they still do it the best they can. They still rule over their kingdom that continues to grow in wealth.<br />
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I did give away a Bible during this past year. It was The Message, a modern language paraphrase translation by Eugene Peterson. I gave it to my dear friend who was the first member outside of my family that I told about leaving the church. I don't know if she has looked at it yet. It seems one of the side effects of leaving the church is the way I am separated from people I called friends because they are constantly busy with their church callings and activities. I am not so busy anymore, which I have found is a relief. But I am not with my friends in all their meetings anymore so I rarely see them now. I have spoken to my friend and seen her a few times, but it has been me that reaches out to her.<br />
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Meanwhile I am happy with my new church home. When I see same sex couples I rejoice that everyone is welcome there. When I sing in the small choir I think about how I am doing it to praise God. When I don't agree with the pastor I am free to discuss it with him. If I give money to the collection plate I do it because I want to keep the church going and growing and meet its needs, not because I'm afraid of what might happen if I don't give. One longtime member of the Christian church I attend has always been a Christian and she is sometimes baffled by her Mormon neighbors' beliefs. We had a talk about my change of church and I told her I would never go back. God has led me out of bondage and fear to where I am free to worship Him of my own free will.<br />
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I had a nice surprise the other night. I've been reading The Message at night and using the NIV and NRSV as my primary study Bibles. I really like the NIV translation. I hadn't so much as cracked open a King James Version in a few months. But I purchased a Jefferson Bible, used, out of curiosity. I was shocked to see that the archaic language wasn't such an impediment for me anymore. I choose to believe that my time studying and loving the Bible has paid off by God granting me understanding. Topics like grace are so much clearer now.<br />
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A friend who is still LDS told me the Bible was distasteful because of the sex and violence and stories about the dark side of human nature. She's been reading it though, and sharing with me her questions and thoughts. I have probably been a little too enthusiastic in sharing the new knowledge I am gaining, but I revel in the fact that she is Thinking as she reads. I have told her some of the many questions I had as I read too. I have a notebook where I keep track of some of them, and the research I've done on them. I decided in the beginning to be courageous in my asking and I have found answers. Sometimes I talk out loud to God to ask Him why in the world something was done a certain way.<br />
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One of the Christian ministries to Mormons wrote something about God becoming so much bigger for people leaving the LDS church. It's true for me. God is Huge, and I am still getting to know Him. Now that I know He's not the limited being of flesh and bone, one of a succession of many gods, as the Mormons think of him, I know He is with me. I invite Him along with me and I found He is a very patient companion. I love the Christian idea about a relationship with Him. I am further along in understanding His real love for us all here. Instead of a god to fear if I let him down by me not doing enough, I am learning that it's all about what He did. And I am so glad for what He has done!Bibles for Mormonshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02882687436259782703noreply@blogger.com2tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4068425705826395161.post-36827758206206233532013-01-27T14:07:00.001-07:002015-05-28T13:33:08.727-06:00What Not to Do if You Want to Win Someone Over to ChristI apologize for the long hiatus. I'm back. I've been suffering through the loss of family and friends dear to me who all passed away within a month. I saw and felt lots of evidence of God's love and care for me all this while. I just didn't have the wherewithal to continue blogging till now.<br />
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Today after church one of the members brought a visitor to meet me. This woman was introduced to me as a member of the LDS church who was worried about her family finding out that she was looking outside the church. The woman was young and had small children with her. They were all nicely dressed just like many Mormons are on Sundays, and the woman was smiling. She had been brave enough to write down her contact information for the church.<br />
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This is where I wanted to say all the right things when I should have been listening. I told her I used to be LDS and had just transitioned last year. Then I babbled on in my enthusiasm, even mentioning this blog. I gave her my email address. And I think I killed the conversation with my eagerness. She was distracted by her children and then was gone, meeting other people.<br />
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I hope the other people were better with her than I was. I assessed my experience once I sat in my car and realized it would have been better to find out what brought her to our church than to overwhelm her with information. The Spirit taught me something important today and I am grateful.<br />
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I hope the next time I meet one of these rare people courageous enough to look around I will ask more questions and listen and put myself on the back burner until I am needed.Bibles for Mormonshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02882687436259782703noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4068425705826395161.post-8572639410147669472012-10-08T17:43:00.002-06:002012-10-08T17:43:45.679-06:00Looking back from the other sideThis weekend was General Conference for Mormons. While they gathered at the Conference Center in Salt Lake or around their TVs and PCs, I spent part of Saturday in my new church helping do some detail cleaning that the paid weekly cleaners don't do. I pondered how my views have changed so much this year. <br />
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I looked at a photo of a wealthy woman from the 1800s who put her money into building the church I was cleaning. I remember seeing her photo when I first visited the church around Christmastime last year. My LDS visiting teaching companion and I went to see the Nativity scenes on display inside and to show support for the woman we visit-taught, who attended the church and even worked there. <br />
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I chuckle now at my viewpoint then. I wondered why was the woman we visited attending this church? Surely any Christian church was just a poor mockery of the true gospel of Christ. Was she perhaps offended by someone in our LDS ward? And then this woman in history, why would she fight against the tide so much that she spent her money building the church?<br />
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But on this past Saturday, I thought to myself: Thank God that I visit-taught this woman who introduced me to this happy, welcoming church. And I tipped my baseball hat to the woman in the black and white photo for making this building possible.<br />
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I can hardly believe that I was so sure of myself back in the LDS days. I spent so much time judging everything else to be less-than and didn't even recognize it.<br />
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<br />Bibles for Mormonshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02882687436259782703noreply@blogger.com2tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4068425705826395161.post-62764462917120419472012-09-22T11:54:00.001-06:002012-09-22T11:54:12.476-06:00Manuscript under scrutiny by our friend Textual Criticism<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">
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"Now British scholar pours water on 'fake' papyrus text that claimed Jesus had a wife." See the full <a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2207038/British-scholar-says-papyrus-claiming-Jesus-married-fake.html" target="_blank">article</a> at the Daily Mail.<br />
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"New Testament scholar Professor Francis Watson of Durham University says the fragment, which caused an international sensation this week, is a collage of texts from the Gospel of Thomas, copied and reassembled out of order."<br />
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A Harvard Divinity professor, Dr. Karen King, brought the papyrus into the spotlight. Scholars dated it to the fourth century AD (300s) and said it was probably from Egypt.<br />
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As soon as I saw the headlines earlier this week, I knew there would be LDS members getting excited that this was proof that Jesus had to marry to achieve godhood. But keep in mind that if the manuscript is not a forgery, it was written well after the time of Jesus and even Dr. King said it isn't reliable as a biography compared to the other sources we have.<br />
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<br />Bibles for Mormonshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02882687436259782703noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4068425705826395161.post-68027629572835901222012-09-07T19:07:00.002-06:002012-09-07T19:07:23.486-06:00Who really wrote the Bible?Ever heard of the Documentary <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Documentary_hypothesis" target="_blank">Hypothesis</a>? I hadn't until about a month ago. My pastor handed me a book called, "The Bible with Sources Revealed." It was written by the same fellow whose "Commentary on the Torah" had been helpful to me earlier.<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Elliott_Friedman"> Richard Elliott Friedman</a> is his name and he is a well-known Biblical scholar. I read the introduction and wanted to understand it better, so I purchased a used copy of "Who Wrote the Bible?" It is Dr. Friedman's first offering to the public of his theory, published in 1987.<br /><br />He did not invent the Documentary Hypothesis; it evolved in the 1700s and 1800s. People studying the Bible noticed certain trends, like some stories appearing two times with different renderings. The Creation story does this, as does the Flood. These scholars surmised that someone might have edited together documents by different authors. Other clues were the way God was called "Elohim" sometimes and "Yahweh" other times. There were other patterns, like how those who used "Elohim" don't mention the Ark and those who wrote "Yahweh" don't talk about the Tabernacle.<br /><br />At first, learning about this rocked my world in a bad way. Hadn't I always heard that Moses wrote the first five books of the Bible? Apparently I wasn't the only one who didn't like hearing that this might not be the case, at least not in the form as the Pentateuch exists today. As I read about the evolution of the hypothesis, I found out that people were excommunicated and put to death for suggesting such things.<br /><br />But as I continued to read, I saw that Dr. Friedman did not rob me of hope. He states that the editors and authors of the Bible as it stands today put together their works from older records, either oral or written. So far as I understand it, the Documentary Hypothesis is not saying that the Bible is myth, or its writings were invented well after events, but that the Bible as it appears today is a composite. That intrigues me.Bibles for Mormonshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02882687436259782703noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4068425705826395161.post-1366964475526991272012-09-04T09:52:00.000-06:002012-09-04T09:52:54.350-06:00Lee Strobel believes the Bible is reliable
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I love this guy. He was an atheist journalist who became a Christian pastor. When I began to transition to being a Christian myself I read his book "The Case for Christ." When I found myself wondering if there really was a God, I read "The Case for a Creator." He presents common doubts and questions and interviews scholars about them. Each time God is revealed in the evidence. <br />
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I find myself needing a boost now and then, so I am currently reading "The Case for the Real Jesus."<br />
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I still have doubts pop up over stuff that I thought I was sure about. The other evening I read about the apostle Paul and how his letters have information that conflicts with the story written in Acts. That started me worrying about the reliability of the Bible all over again. Funny when I've just been writing about how trustworthy it is. I don't have an explanation for that discrepancy yet, but I am sure I am not the first person to wonder about it. Turns out the world of Christian apologetics is rich in explanations and full of different denominations. I don't have to take anyone's word for it, I can study it myself, which I both stress over and enjoy. It used to be simple to just accept what the LDS leaders said and not question. That is the path to hell, in my mind anyway, to rely on the words of men who claim to know God's will and have His authority, but whose policies change over the decades according to culture and the economy. <br />
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It's harder to take in opposing viewpoints and sort through a lot of information. I am sure there are Christians who are content to not dig around, but I don't want to be like that. I want to know for myself and I want to be able to explain to others when they are hurting for answers, like Lee Strobel does.Bibles for Mormonshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02882687436259782703noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4068425705826395161.post-69604574216381827932012-08-28T13:01:00.003-06:002012-08-28T13:04:21.259-06:00Textual criticismIt sounds like someone is complaining about the text. It's actually the process of comparing different copies in order to discover the original wording. It's very useful for everything from folios of Shakespeare, clay tablets about Gilgamesh, to parchments and codices of the Bible.<br />
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Some of the rules a text critic follows:<br />
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<li>old manuscripts tend to be closer to the source</li>
<li>briefer texts are more probable than longer ones because a scribe is more likely to add an explanation than subtract unless they deleted a controversial passage</li>
<li>bad grammar and ugly writing are more likely to be original</li>
<li>the writer's style is like their fingerprint and so critics can see interpolations by others</li>
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Text critics often compile an "eclectic edition" using a collection of various source documents and then others can use that for their own work in translation. There is an eclectic edition of Greek New Testament texts called the Nestle-Aland that many modern Bible translators consult. It contains notes on variants in the source documents and why one reading or interpretation was chosen over another.Bibles for Mormonshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02882687436259782703noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4068425705826395161.post-76142398847704545612012-08-22T16:00:00.001-06:002012-08-22T16:00:34.985-06:00God said itI thought to myself last night that if I believe that Jesus can be trusted, then if He quoted from the Old Testament, that adds to those writings' reliability. Yes, I know people can argue with that. It just reminded me of that phrase, "God said it, I believe it."Bibles for Mormonshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02882687436259782703noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4068425705826395161.post-13317978691070412932012-08-18T20:14:00.000-06:002015-05-28T13:32:15.174-06:00Here's a Quick Way to Choose a Bible Translation<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">
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<a href="http://www.notjustanotherbook.com/biblecomparison.htm" target="_blank">Here</a> is a very nice visual comparison of popular English Bible versions available today. The site itself from whence this image comes has details about what the chart means. For instance, the number in parentheses is the suggested grade level for reading that translation. I see that my NIV falls into the 8th grade category. King James is at a college level. The NRSV that the pastor uses is designated tenth grade level.<br />
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The chart also notes which translations use "gender neutral language." For example, the NRSV uses "humankind" when talking about the creation in Genesis 1. Someone pointed out that applying gender to God is an old-fashioned concept. This is yet another thing for my mind to get used to thinking after all those years of calling God "Heavenly Father."<br />
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The same website mentioned above also has a graphic showing how many people were involved and what year these modern translations were finished. For example, only one person worked on The Message, my current reading Bible, and it was complete in 2002. I know from reading the preface to The Message that Eugene Peterson, the man who translated it, took ten years to finish it.<br />
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The first version of the NIV was done in 1978 and 110 people helped make it. The NRSV was done in 1989 after 30 people worked on it. You may already know that the King James Version was done in 1611, but did you know that the New King James Version was finished in 1982 after more than twice the number of original KJV scholars worked on it?<br />
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If you are looking for a new Bible or trying to decide which one to give to someone, I can tell you these things--if you don't have a bookstore that carries a large selection, try Amazon.com or ChristianBook.com because they both have book previews. Sometimes Google Books does also. When you are trying to choose, it can get tricky because there are so many versions. My friend on the bench the other day was dead set on having the words of Christ in red and a concordance. Most translations offer a concordance, but not all have the text attributed to Jesus in red. This may be because not everyone thinks it's exactly word-for-word what He said. As I read somewhere, ancient historians were more concerned with getting the gist correct.<br />
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A person can get caught up in the politics of which translation is aimed at more liberal readers or more conservative readers. I don't know enough to worry about that yet. I have a translation by a gay college professor and I really like it. It was the second Bible I bought. In fact, I recommend having more than one version. You can achieve that by buying a parallel Bible with two or more translations in one book. I suppose that after those decades of close-mindedness I can't help but feast on the variety out there.Bibles for Mormonshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02882687436259782703noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4068425705826395161.post-37076003627816524222012-08-17T12:39:00.001-06:002012-08-17T12:39:51.908-06:00In the language of the peopleI sat for a while on a bench with a friend who was perusing a catalog of Bibles for sale. A Mormon colleague from my office stopped to chat. As soon as she realized what kind of catalog it was I saw her reaction of rejection. I jokingly asked if she would like to get one, perhaps a newer translation, but she quickly said no, it was too modern for her.<br /><br />I understand her reaction--there but for the grace of God that would be me, distrustful of the unknown, sure in my beliefs, thinking I didn't need anything more. In fact, my first Bible purchase as I left the LDS church was a King James Version. I felt safer with that.<br /><br />Now that I have spent time with other versions of the Bible, I have found there are some that I enjoy very much. I have a study bible that uses the NIV, New International Version, translation. I enjoy it because it is clearly written in modern language. Please compare:<br /><br />Joshua 6, King James Version (KJV)<br />
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Now Jericho was straitly shut up because of the children of Israel: none went out, and none came in.<br />2 And the Lord said unto Joshua, See, I have given into thine hand Jericho, and the king thereof, and the mighty men of valour.<br />3 And ye shall compass the city, all ye men of war, and go round about the city once. Thus shalt thou do six days.<br />4 And seven priests shall bear before the ark seven trumpets of rams' horns: and the seventh day ye shall compass the city seven times, and the priests shall blow with the trumpets.<br /></blockquote>
Joshua 6, NIV (1984)<br />
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Now Jericho was tightly shut up because of the Israelites. No one went out and no one came in.</blockquote>
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2 Then the Lord said to Joshua, “See, I have delivered Jericho into your hands, along with its king and its fighting men. </blockquote>
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4 Have seven priests carry trumpets of rams’ horns in front of the ark. On the seventh day, march around the city seven times, with the priests blowing the trumpets.<br /></blockquote>
I keep hearing and reading that the Lord spoke in the tongue of the common people so he would be understood. The KJV was the tongue of the common person 500 years ago. My personal opinion is that if Jesus came today I wouldn't hear him talking like Shakespeare.<br /><br /><br />
Bibles for Mormonshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02882687436259782703noreply@blogger.com3tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4068425705826395161.post-8384729806399355702012-08-14T12:43:00.002-06:002012-08-14T12:43:51.725-06:00Magic bulletOne by one, I am revealing to my LDS friends that I am now a Christian. I told another one yesterday. There was no drama. I'm not certain she even flinched, at least not outwardly. We discussed some key differences between Christianity and Mormonism, such as being saved by grace or saved by grace and works. It was a civil discussion, just as I'd expect from my well-educated and kind friend.<br /><br />What is breaking my heart since then is that she said she is totally content with her beliefs and content to let others believe as they want. Key word: content. Synonym: at ease, comfortable, complacent.<br /><br />God gets to us when we are not content. My eyes were wedged open because of the controversy over marriage equality. When I watched the Youtube video conversion stories of the members of the Adams Road band, one pointed out that he read the Bible as a missionary to prove a Christian minister wrong and then saw the doctrinal conflicts with LDS scriptures. Another friend of mine was offended by cultural differences between the members from his home state and the ones in Utah. Each person that left Mormonism can probably tell you what took them out of the drone zone, made them consider what they'd always accepted as being unacceptable.<br /><br />If you are waiting to help a Mormon open their eyes, don't be afraid if they have a trial. Get ready to support them. It could be the magic bullet to wound them with the truth so they can heal in God's grace and love.Bibles for Mormonshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02882687436259782703noreply@blogger.com0